Re: Driving at Night
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 3:55 pm
by Another Bill
An interesting argument I once heard from a work colleague was, to avoid using main beam when there was any likelihood possibility of oncoming traffic, even when road ahead was completely clear.
His argument was two fold…
1. If you allowed yourself to drive faster as a consequence of the improved view from main beam then the moment you had to dip, by definition, you’d be driving too fast. You might slow as well but that tends to come after dipping so, for a moment or two, you’d be too fast for safety.
2. If you use only dipped beam, your pupils (or is it irises?) will expand more and settle at that level, allowing generally more sensitive vision. As soon as you enable main beam the pupils shrink, a switch to dipped will be all the more hazardous until, after a few seconds, the pupils react.
Couldn’t make up my mind whether to agree with him.
Re: Driving at Night
Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:30 pm
by Strangely Brown
Triquet wrote:And you probably have noticed that the muntjac population in Berkshire / Oxfordshire has surged alarmingly.
Don't know about the population here but this sign is regularly updated.
Ashdown ForestIt read 200 when I passed it today and was over 200 only a few weeks ago.
Re: Driving at Night
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:29 am
by Horse
Another Bill wrote:
1. If you allowed yourself to drive faster as a consequence of the improved view from main beam then the moment you had to dip, by definition, you’d be driving too fast.
2. If you use only dipped beam, your pupils (or is it irises?) will expand more and settle at that level, allowing generally more sensitive vision. ... until, after a few seconds, the pupils react.
Couldn’t make up my mind whether to agree with him.
1 makes sense
2 though, perhaps not. Full night vision wide open pupils takes IIRC up to 20 minutes - but the first oncoming vehicle will clobber it.
However, a mate had the similar theory to drive on sidelights to look beyond the lit area.
Re: Driving at Night
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:42 am
by Gareth
Another Bill wrote:1. If you allowed yourself to drive faster as a consequence of the improved view from main beam then the moment you had to dip, by definition, you’d be driving too fast.
I think this line of argument pre-supposes that the driver doesn't slow down for potential hazards and is using main beam
always rather than, say, periodically dipping to look for oncoming lights.
Re: Driving at Night
Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:08 pm
by Another Bill
Horse wrote:Another Bill wrote:
However, a mate had the similar theory to drive on sidelights to look beyond the lit area.
I’d not go that far. But If feeling more mischievous than usual, I could argue that tail lights are not necessarily a good thing.
If the vehicle in front has tail lights we might feel confident that we know how big a gap is in front, and allow that to influence our own speed.. Trouble is, the thing in front may not have tail lights. It might be a crashed or broken down vehicle with flat battery, or a drunken pedestrian, or a fallen tree, etc etc etc.. We’re supposed to be able to stop in time for any of these so, arguably, the presence of tail lights actually gives a false sense of safety which might encourage excessive speed?
Re: Driving at Night
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:31 pm
by Brisel
Another Bill wrote:Definitely an age-related aspect, imo. Despite being recently past state retirement age, with glasses, I’m lucky enough to still have 20/20 vision right eye, left eye slightly better than 20/20.
But as early as my late 30s I found I was nagging the opticians every time I got tested, as I noticed night driving was getting progressively harder. Main problem was the darkness just seemed darker every year. And each optician simply assured me, it was normal deterioration. That’s continued, and I often notice to that younger people are able to see more detail than me in darkness.
Age apart, I’d also like to see a return to 70s habits, where driving on sidelights was the norm in well lit 30 limits and still remains legal afaik.. Pretty much eliminates dazzle, and a boon to pedestrians too, who also suffer dazzle. Unfortunately it only really works if everybody does the same as a single vehicle with headlamps will potentially mask several with just sidelights. So I do of course use headlights nowerdays.
Try glasses with a yellow tint. I suffer from glaucoma in one eye which has cost me some peripheral vision and the optometrist I had for my last checkup recommended them. There are lots of safety glasses available with yellow lenses, so this isn’t an expensive prospect.