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Ohlins wrote: It needs pruning.

John Locke wrote:I am now too lazy, or too busy to make it shorter.

Was it Colin Chapman who said (or quoted) "add lightness and simplicate"?

For those who know, how has the motorcycle edition changed over the years, and has it broadly followed the changes in the motorcar edition?

Gareth wrote:For those who know, how has the motorcycle edition changed over the years, and has it broadly followed the changes in the motorcar edition?

Broadly, yes. Even to the level of cut and pasting in the bit about fog lights. Not many bikes have them

oh, there is an extra (that some car drivers do too), the 'lifesaver' last look over your shoulder before committing (e.g. before turning right major to minor).

FWIW, many riders do them too late. It should be done early enough to abort the manoeuvre.

To the side, not over the shoulder

Been having this discussion elsewhere. It is very rare on a bike with mirrors to need to perform any rear obs by doing an impression of an owl.

It is a blind spot check. If I didn't know where my shoulder where then I guess I would do a shoulder check, but if I had lost my shoulder I guess I would have bigger concerns. This goes back to the comments around correctly adjusted mirrors too. If your mirrors are in the right place you only need to look into the actual blind spot, not right behind you.

Most vehicles have some mirror blind spots. 'Over the shoulder' was simply, for the car driving non-riders, to give an idea of the general direction.

If you want more accurate/specific, then a shoulder check is used where mirrors would usually be better and a 'lifesaver' is more (in these days of full-face helmets and shoulder armour) a look sideways and 'down'.

No probs Horse.

I was being a bit touchy having been attacked elsewhere for my poor rear obs as I wasn't looking over my shoulder.

We had an observer who insisted that associates put chin to shoulder for blind spot checks, He was also a CBT instructor. He was very prescriptive with what he expected for everything , real painting by numbers sort of guy.

When I took the Star Rider Gold test (about 1985?), the ride was in two parts. To start, until told otherwise, it was 'full system' (bluebook 7 features), including a 'short' arm signal.